If God can’t save non-Christians He is not all-powerful. If He won’t, He is not all-loving. If he can’t be with us unless we “choose” Him, he is not omniscient or omnipresent. Why then do Christians believe in such a small, petty, limited “god”?
I like atheists. I’m an atheist once a week, sometimes more often than that. I’m also a universalist.
I don’t think these verses are asserting that only Christians can love. At all. I think they’re saying that any one that loves knows God. And this “God” can be the theistic god, or the collective life force, or however you want to define “God”.
I appreciate your point of view. I am so used to reading words from the Bible interpreted - by Christians - in divisive, exclusive, hateful ways that I missed the simply poetry of “John’s” words.
So people of all religions love and people without religion love. Actually, people without religion often do a better job at it.
So yeah. These are some great lines for anyone capable of love, even if they don’t believe in the theistic God. And not all Christians believe in the typical theistic God… but I’m not particularly interested in going there at the moment.
I understand that too - not all people who call themselves “Christians” believe in a theistic god, or think that theirs is the “one true religion”. In fact, a great many christians believe there are “other paths to god”.
If only “Christianity” as a religion taught that, I would have no beef with it.
The reality? Christianity in America teaches that anyone who is not a Christian is damned, in this life and the next :/
Someone called “Anonymous” left me a message. Let’s pwn him.
About what you said on what “love thy neighbor means.
You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. (Matthew 5:43)
The order love thy neighbor pertains to how to live a christian life.
Right. Only Christians are good people. Feck everyone else. That sums Christianity up nicely.
God is not a punisher. He is a forgiving savior.he gave us free will . You decide
So we decide whether we go to heaven or hell? And how do you “choose” to get to heaven? You have to be the same religion as “Anonymous”. Or if you ask a Muslim, he’ll say you have to be a Muslim. And so on. So basically, salvation is dependent upon you “choosing” “freely” to have the same religion as the person claiming to explain “god” to you.
Does that sound stupid to you? Because it sounds stupid to me.
God wants all people to go to heaven (2 Peter 3:9; John 3:16)
Romans 6:23 : For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
These two statements are mutually contradictory. Religion is largely an accident of birth. If God really wanted everyone to go to heaven, it would make no sense whatsoever for this to be exclusively for Christians.
So thanks, Anonymous, if that is your real name, for yet again proving that Christianity is false.
God is not a punisher. He is a forgiving savior. He gave us free will because he wants us to have a choice. You don’t force somebody to love you right? See the beauty of the gift of choice?…
Really? A free choice? Because the New Testament is crystal clear that hell is real and involves eternal torment. And if the “choice” is to love God back as a Christian or else be eternally burned in hell, then that isn’t a “choice” at all.
And if this “hell” the Bible describes in great detail is metaphorical, then why on earth should we believe that its descriptions of “salvation” or “heaven” or even “god” are any less metaphorical?
Yet more proof - Christianity is false.
Now, I am not an expert or anything and I am a growing Christian. But I know that God paid for our sins. You and I are already forgiven. All we need to do is to have faith and believe in him for we are not saved through good works, we are saved by his grace. That grace is more than enough because that is how omnipotent he is.
"That is how omnipotent he is"? I lolled.
Why would salvation require belief? Are you saying God *can’t* save us unless we are Christians? In that case he isn’t omnipotent. Or are you saying god *won’t* save us unless we are christians? In that case he isn’t all-loving (because he gives muslim babies much less chance of salvation than christian babies).
Yet again, Christianity proves itself to be false.
I hope that you study the bible more before you claim that it is contradictory. You cannot fight for a statement that you are not very familiar with.
Anonymous, you are a moron.
Good day and God Bless you!
I will pray for you
How about you stop being Christian fundamentalist and get your brain back.
“Jesus has power over death — spiritual, emotional, physical, or otherwise — and He has and IS the final word. He IS the resurrection and the life. If we are centered in His perfect will for our lives, and we believe (just as Jesus tells Martha in verse 39), we WILL see the glory of God displayed! In Jesus Name!”—
…the basic criticism of both Christian and Muslim exclusivism is that it denies by implication that God, the sole creator of the world and of all humanity, is loving, gracious and merciful, and that His love and mercy extend to all humankind. If God is the creator of the entire human race, is it credible that God would set up a system by which hundreds of millions of men, women and children, the majority of the human race, are destined through no fault of their own to eternal torment in hell? I say ‘through no fault of their own’ because it cannot be anyone’s fault that they were born where they were instead of within what exclusivism regards as the one limited area of salvation.
One exclusivist Christian philosopher, William Lane Craig, has tried to meet this difficulty by appealing to the idea of ‘middle knowledge’, the idea that God knows what every human being would do in all conceivable circumstances. He then claims that God knows of all those who have not had the Christian Gospel presented to them that, if it were presented to them, they would reject it. It is therefore not unjust that they, constituting the majority of humanity, should be condemned. But this is manifestly an a priori dogma, condemning hundreds of millions of people without any knowledge of them; and even many other very conservative Christian philosophers have found it repugnant. For on any reasonable view exclusivism, practiced within any religion, is incompatible with the existence of a God whose grace and mercy extends to the entire human race.
”—John Hick : Philosopher of Religion & Theologian
Me:Do you *really* think that the best explanation for the Universe, with around 70 sextillion stars, is that there is no other purpose or reason for existence than exalting what you call "god"? And that this "god" damns the vast majority of people who have ever existed to eternal damnation because they are not christian? And that out of all the possible belief systems that could exist and could ever exist, yours is 100% true and therefore every other one is untrue?
If a liberal is against abortion, she doesn’t have one. If a conservative is against abortion, she wants them outlawed.
If a liberal is against sex before marriage, she doesn’t have sex. If a conservative is against sex before marriage, she wants to mandate abstinence-only sex education.
If a liberal is against government policy, she protests against that policy. If a conservative is against government policy, she throws a hissy fit and pretends the policy is “unconstitutional”, that the government is “socialist”, and that the president is a muslim, communist, terrorist.
“Someone has to die to pay for sin. Either we are going to TRUST JESUS’ DEATH to pay for our sins, OR we will pay for them ourselves by suffering the ETERNAL DEATH OF HELL.”
-Dr. Adrian Rogers
Seriously, is Christianity so retarded that it thinks its “god” can only “save” people if they chose to commune with it in one particular way, and that this “god” has no choice but to DAMN TO ETERNAL HELLFIRE anyone else? Why would it think its “god” has such limited powers?
” When the answer is simple, God is speaking. ” -Albert Einstein
In developing the theory of relativity, Einstein realized that the equations led to the conclusion that the universe had a beginning. He didn’t like the idea of a beginning, because he thought one would have to conclude that the universe was created by God. So, he added a cosmological constant to the equation to attempt to get rid of the beginning. He said this was one of the worst mistakes of his life.
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
- Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman
Einstein called the cosmological constant a “blunder” because the evidence seemed to contradict his theory. (Now things are not so sure).
But who cares about the truth when you a christian, ay sukiyakitori?
before we can understand salvation, we must first understand why we need salvation. That is where Hamartiology comes in. It explains that we are all sinners—by inheritance, by imputation, and by our own personal choice. It shows us why God must condemn us for our sins. Hamartiology points to the solution for sin—the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. When we truly come to grips with our sinful natures, we begin to fathom the depth and breadth of the nature of our great God who, on the one hand, condemns sinners to hell in righteous judgment, then, on the other hand, satisfies His own requirement for perfection. Only when we understand the depth of sin can we understand the height of God’s love for sinners.
God has no choice but to burn us eternally in hell.
That is why he came to earth to give us a chance not to burn in hell.
But then how can you expect sanity to change views which are insane to begin with?