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Posts tagged Salvation
Do you believe God wants mankind to be “saved” rather than “damned”? Do you believe God created mankind knowing in advance many, many more of us would be “damned” rather than “saved”?
William Lane Craig, King of Fail
William Lane Craig, the worlds greatest living Christian Apologist, explains why God damns most people to hell for not being Christians:
God ensures that no one who would believe the gospel if he heard it remains ultimately unreached. Once the gospel reaches a people, God providentially places there persons who He knew would respond to it if they heard it. He ensures that those who never hear it are only those who would not accept it if they did hear it. Hence, no one is lost because of a lack of information or due to historical and geographical accident. Anyone who wants or even would want to be saved will be saved.
Did you get that? Anyone why dies a non-christian would have rather gone to hell than been a christian anyway.
So what is the point of trying to convert people to Christianity? By this logic, evangelism is completely irrelevant, because if people want to be “saved” God will make sure they are, and if they’d rather burn in hell in eternal torment with no possibility of reprieve (which is how Craig describes hell), then God will make sure that happens too.
Oh - wait a minute - it seems William Lane Craig hasn’t thought this entirely through…
The solution I have proposed to the problem of Christian particularism is only a possible solution. But I find it attractive because certain biblical passages also suggest something very close.
Did you get that? The best answer the greatest living Christian apologist can give to justify his religion is that given an entirely free and fair choice, most people would choose to be tormented eternally in hell with no possibility of reprieve than go to heaven. And he only offers this as a possible solution.
Reading this reminded me of an observation by Paul Tobin over at the excellent Debunking Christianity blog:
Evangelicals seems to have difficulty understanding the difference between the concepts of possibility and probability- just because an hypothesis is possible does not mean it is the most probable explanation for something.
Here’s a more probable explanation than William Lane Craig’s.
Christianity is not true, and his “solution” is as stupid a defence of religion as you will ever hear.
How could a “loving god” damn 90% of everyone who has ever lived simply because they are not christians? Christianity… Making smart people dumb for 2,000 years :(
…the basic criticism of both Christian and Muslim exclusivism is that it denies by implication that God, the sole creator of the world and of all humanity, is loving, gracious and merciful, and that His love and mercy extend to all humankind. If God is the creator of the entire human race, is it credible that God would set up a system by which hundreds of millions of men, women and children, the majority of the human race, are destined through no fault of their own to eternal torment in hell? I say ‘through no fault of their own’ because it cannot be anyone’s fault that they were born where they were instead of within what exclusivism regards as the one limited area of salvation.
One exclusivist Christian philosopher, William Lane Craig, has tried to meet this difficulty by appealing to the idea of ‘middle knowledge’, the idea that God knows what every human being would do in all conceivable circumstances. He then claims that God knows of all those who have not had the Christian Gospel presented to them that, if it were presented to them, they would reject it. It is therefore not unjust that they, constituting the majority of humanity, should be condemned. But this is manifestly an a priori dogma, condemning hundreds of millions of people without any knowledge of them; and even many other very conservative Christian philosophers have found it repugnant. For on any reasonable view exclusivism, practiced within any religion, is incompatible with the existence of a God whose grace and mercy extends to the entire human race. John Hick : Philosopher of Religion & Theologian
Best Explanation (real exchange)
- Me: Do you *really* think that the best explanation for the Universe, with around 70 sextillion stars, is that there is no other purpose or reason for existence than exalting what you call "god"? And that this "god" damns the vast majority of people who have ever existed to eternal damnation because they are not christian? And that out of all the possible belief systems that could exist and could ever exist, yours is 100% true and therefore every other one is untrue?
- "Jesus Freak": Spot on.
- Me: <facepalm>
Christianity: Retarded or what?
pepperish bologged this:
“Someone has to die to pay for sin. Either we are going to TRUST JESUS’ DEATH to pay for our sins, OR we will pay for them ourselves by suffering the ETERNAL DEATH OF HELL.”
-Dr. Adrian Rogers
Seriously, is Christianity so retarded that it thinks its “god” can only “save” people if they chose to commune with it in one particular way, and that this “god” has no choice but to DAMN TO ETERNAL HELLFIRE anyone else? Why would it think its “god” has such limited powers?